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| Authored by: uws archive on Monday, March 03 2003 @ 04:22 PM CST |
This is an archived comment posted by Rob Ewaschuk. You can view the original
here. None of the ones you mentioned were relivant since none of them involved a controversy.
I'm sure that the environmentalists of the world that have been fighting for reduced and reusable packaging will be happy to know that their controversy has ended.
The box to some degree is necessary; something has to carry the crackers. Don't like it? Don't buy the box!
Sadly, I think the point is directly in front of your face, and you're still not seeing it. You can't "not buy the box". Try going to a grocery store, and removing the inner freshness-protecting Ritz bag from the outer appearance-maintaining Ritz box, and bringing it to the cashier for checkout. At best, they'll give you a funny look, and at worst they'll call some burly men that will ask you to leave.
To extend (and perhaps improve) the somewhat tongue-in-cheek Ritz example, did you know that many bread companies don't provide *any* products without the animal-derived additive Stearol-2-Lactylate? There's a moral issue for you!
Unfortunatly, university is manditory for a good chunck of the population if our country is to continue to function as an econimically relevant country. What you suggest is a free ride for left wing propaganda on the backs of the best and brightest (for the most part)!
I'm sorry Matthew, I don't understand the connection of this part to the rest of our discussion. I don't see how university is mandatory for anyone. I don't see how what I suggest is a free ride for left wing propaganda on the backs of the best and the brightest. In fact, all I was saying was that sometimes to get what you want, it doesn't work out that you get *only* what you want. And if what you want comes with an overwhelming amount other stuff that you don't want, then you have to make a choice about whether you'll take what you want or not.
It all comes down to "the Canadian attitude" that the Liberal party has installed in us
I don't know about you, but the liberal party hasn't installed any attitudes in me.
In comparision, the States is lightyears ahead of us on this one, with an attiude in tune with "YOU want it, YOU buy it!"
Indeed, Mr. Campbell. You want it, you buy it. It comes with too much stuff you don't like, you don't buy it. Not "you don't like it, you have a claim that whoever is providing it should change it." Package deal. I'm glad we've come to this agreement.
I should not be forced to pay into groups that I politically or morally support JUST to get a degree (necessary for the field I wish to go into).
Aah. Why can't everyone just get along, eh? I'll give you some hints. A degree isn't necessary for any field if you are exceptional enough. Now, maybe you are, and maybe you're not. I happen to think I'm probably not. Not only that, but there're a host of universities and colleges in Canada to choose from. In fact, you could even go to our morally enlightened friends south of the border to pursue a degree less ridden with left-wing propaganda. You have a choice. You don't have a claim upon those providing services beyond choosing to go there and choosing not to go there. If you decide that our fine institution is too corrupt with morally decrepit attitudes for your further edification here to be acceptable to you, then feel free to pack up and leave.
Universities didn't always operate like this. It was only in the 1960s, when the whole idea of free expression came into play
Curse that freedom of expression! Mmph mmm mmpph mmmmmppph phm phmmumphm.
Matthew, perhaps I could ask some questions that would clarify our discussion. Do you agree that you are suggesting that you have a claim on the university to provide you with an education without charging you for any of the aspects that you don't want to have? If so, does that claim trump the university's good judgement about what is best for the campus as a whole, or even the campus' democratic choice about what is good for it? Does it trump the governments good-faith attempts to make this country the best it can be? Does it mean that you should only have to take the courses that you want, because gosh-darn-it, you're morally opposed to the study of that new-fangled evolution mumbojumbo, and they have no right to deny you a degree because of it?
-Rob[ Parent ]
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