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Committee opposes online strikable fees (Jesse Helmer)

This is an archived story posted by Jesse Helmer. You can view the original here.

A committee of Students' Council is recommending against the implementation of online strikable fees. The committee, which first met in mid-January and is chaired by Feds President Brenda Koprowski, produced a nine-page report about incidental fees. The report contains five general recommendations and four appendices.

Five general recommendations:

  1. The current system should be improved
  2. Contracts between stakeholders should be formalized
  3. A Feds protocol for new fees should be created
  4. Students should be surveyed periodically
  5. Feds should not support a referendum on strikable fees

Improving the current system

Under the general recommendation to improve the current system, the committee makes seven more specific recommendations:

  1. aid in the development of an active educational program informing students about all student-funded organizations at the University of Waterloo
  2. advertise refund days and refund period (including information on organizations that collect incidental refundable fees in campus publications)
  3. develop and implement a common refund protocol for all organizations1
  4. educate students on using existing mechanisms to introduce new fees (see below)
  5. hold at least one refund day per term for each faculty on campus, in a building of the choice that faculty student society, union, or membership
  6. hold at least one refund day per term in the SLC
  7. work with UW admin to improve student comprehension of fee system

Other recommendations

The committee also recommends that Feds negotiate a memorandum of agreement with each "student corporation external to the Feds." A draft memorandum of agreement is included in the report.

The committee further recommends the creation of a new fee protocol. Says the report: "Fees collected by UW and given directly to the Imprint Publications, Waterloo, Radio Waterloo, and WPIRG are membership fees in these bona fide corporations that are audited and follow corporate protocols of accountability."

The report continues, "This is much different than students simply making a 'donation' to an unincorporated student organization or initiative. To ensure accountability, these types of fee initiatives could be administered directly through the FedS. Created through referenda, these new fees for unincorporated bodies could be collected, disbursed, and refunded via the FedS."

Appendices cover possible fee systems, information about how other school's handle incidental fees

The four appendices comprise six of the report's nine pages. Appendix 1 sets out seven possible incidental fee systems; Appendix 2 is a chart of fee systems at Canadian universities; Appendix 3 describes the challenges of using Council Procedure 7 to govern referenda on external organizations; and Appendix 4 is an example memorandum of agreement.

Council to discuss the report this weekend

The report is the first item under Committee Reports on the agenda for council's March meeting. The meeting begins at 12:30 p.m. on 17 March 2003. It will be held in the Multipurpose room of the SLC.



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Ruth Hawes is no longer the Math Co-op Advisor (Big Space Monkey)
Authored by: uws archive on Wednesday, March 12 2003 @ 10:20 AM CST

This is an archived comment posted by Big Space Monkey. You can view the original here.

Hey, I don't care about the article, but I haven't recieved such good news in a long time!

The diseased old water-buffalo of a human, Ruth Hawes is no longer the Math co-op advisor.

Screw peace, GO GET 'EM BUSH!!

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Breaking News: Committee tries to fool all of the people, all of the time! (Matthew Campbell)
Authored by: uws archive on Wednesday, March 12 2003 @ 11:00 AM CST

This is an archived comment posted by Matthew Campbell. You can view the original here.

While I'm very happy to hear the Mathies have reason to celebrate today, I also think it's time to get the discussion started on this story.

4. Students should be surveyed periodically
5. Feds should not support a referendum on strikable fees


So, we should ask students how they feel, but not necessarily give them what they want, eh? Good old double standards are at work once again people.

I'm sure that we'll hear that old line that "students don't appriciate the services they're provided and therefore shouldn't be allowed to make a snap decision on these fees."

Translation:We want students to pay for these services, but don't necessarly care how they feel about them. Could you imagine if we applied this system to the "real world"?

1) (You lefties are going to love this one;)) George W. Bush could invade Iraq, kill Saddam THEN go to the UN and ask if war was merited. If the UN says it's not, the US will put everything back to the way it was, with Saddam once again head of state!

2) At Christmas time, The Salvation Army will force you to 'donate' five dollars to their fund just for steping into a mall that they're stationed at (there's your package deal!), EVERY time you step into said mall. If you want your money back, you have to go downtown, prove you were in the mall and then collect your refund.

3) Congratulations, you've just joined the Liberal Party of Canada. Since you live in this country (package deal!), you automatically have to be a member of the governing party. If you want your money back, see party HQ (which I think is in Ottawa, and again with proof of citizenship).

4) Finally, those Ikea guys (from the ads) will show up at your house, totally remodel it and leave you the bill for $7,852.33 on your doorstep. You can get the refund, but you have to lug all of the furniture, etc. back to the nearest Ikea store!

Now, I've heard that these fees are very small and should therefore not matter, but where are we going to draw the line. What is the difference between $3, $33, $333 or $3333? Are you the one who should set the standard?

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Well, that should get you guys ripsnorting mad. I'll stop now...

Cheers,

Matthew J. Campbell

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Breaking News: Committee tries to fool all of the people, all of the time! (Matthew Campbell)
Authored by: uws archive on Wednesday, March 12 2003 @ 11:01 AM CST

This is an archived comment posted by Matthew Campbell. You can view the original here.

While I'm very happy to hear the Mathies have reason to celebrate today, I also think it's time to get the discussion started on this story.

4. Students should be surveyed periodically
5. Feds should not support a referendum on strikable fees


So, we should ask students how they feel, but not necessarily give them what they want, eh? Good old double standards are at work once again people.

I'm sure that we'll hear that old line that "students don't appriciate the services they're provided and therefore shouldn't be allowed to make a snap decision on these fees."

Translation:We want students to pay for these services, but don't necessarly care how they feel about them. Could you imagine if we applied this system to the "real world"?

1) (You lefties are going to love this one;)) George W. Bush could invade Iraq, kill Saddam THEN go to the UN and ask if war was merited. If the UN says it's not, the US will put everything back to the way it was, with Saddam once again head of state!

2) At Christmas time, The Salvation Army will force you to 'donate' five dollars to their fund just for steping into a mall that they're stationed at (there's your package deal!), EVERY time you step into said mall. If you want your money back, you have to go downtown, prove you were in the mall and then collect your refund.

3) Congratulations, you've just joined the Liberal Party of Canada. Since you live in this country (package deal!), you automatically have to be a member of the governing party. If you want your money back, see party HQ (which I think is in Ottawa, and again with proof of citizenship).

4) Finally, those Ikea guys (from the ads) will show up at your house, totally remodel it and leave you the bill for $7,852.33 on your doorstep. You can get the refund, but you have to lug all of the furniture, etc. back to the nearest Ikea store!

Now, I've heard that these fees are very small and should therefore not matter, but where are we going to draw the line. What is the difference between $3, $33, $333 or $3333? Are you the one who should set the standard?

---

Well, that should get you guys ripsnorting mad. I'll stop now...

Cheers,

Matthew J. Campbell

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Actually dealing with the story in question... (Alex Sloat)
Authored by: uws archive on Wednesday, March 12 2003 @ 11:07 AM CST

This is an archived comment posted by Alex Sloat. You can view the original here.

I see in the report that the committee is advocating "an active educational program informing students about all student-funded organizations at the University of Waterloo", and that it is suggesting that the cost of strikable fees would be high, and it is counting that against strikable fees. Did it consider the cost of an "active educational program"? Things like that can also have sizable costs associated with them, but that was never considered. Or am I overestimating the cost of this?

As well, it can actually cost more than $4 for a transaction in UW's system? That seems obscene given that as it stands now they are collecting and distributing legions of small fees, would it just be cheaper for the university to hand out the cash and not bill us? I hope that's an overestimate.

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Strikable Fees (Ian)
Authored by: uws archive on Wednesday, March 12 2003 @ 12:48 PM CST

This is an archived comment posted by Ian. You can view the original here.

I am glad they are not making the fees strikable. If they did that, they would take away the little pleasures in my life - walking in to get my money back from WPIRG. Every time they ask why I want my money back, and every time I tell them that they don't represent my interests as a capitalist white male.

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An important question (Kyle Selmes)
Authored by: uws archive on Wednesday, March 12 2003 @ 02:53 PM CST

This is an archived comment posted by Kyle Selmes. You can view the original here.

after looking over the report, are the UW PC's satisfied with the results? They, or at least ALW, offered to give us time to research the issue and come up with a report and recommendation, that is now done. So does this mean that they will not force the referendum? I would like to see the specific opinions of the PC members.

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